Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/19/1997 03:40 PM Senate RES

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                   SENATE RESOURCES COMMITTEE                                  
                       February 19, 1997                                       
                           3:40 P.M.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Lyda Green, Vice Chairman                                             
 Senator Loren Leman                                                           
 Senator Bert Sharp                                                            
 Senator Robin Taylor                                                          
 Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                    
 Senator John Torgerson                                                        
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Rick Halford, Chairman                                                
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
 HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 12 am                                              
 Urging the Secretary of the Interior to conduct competitive oil and           
 gas lease sales within the National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska.              
                                                                               
   - MOVED SCSHJR 12(RES) FROM COMMITTEE                                       
                                                                               
 CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 22(STA)                                                
 "An Act relating to qualifications for appointment to the Board of            
 Game."                                                                        
                                                                               
  - MOVED CSSB 22(RES) FROM COMMITTEE                                          
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
                                                                               
 HJR 12 - No previous action to record.                                        
                                                                               
 SB 22 - See State Affairs minutes dated 1/23/97.                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
 Representative Joe Green                                                      
 State Capitol Bldg.                                                           
 Juneau, AK 99811-1182                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Sponsor of HJR 12.                                     
                                                                               
 Wayne Regelin, Director                                                       
 Division of Wildlife Conservation                                             
 Department of Fish and Game                                                   
 P.O. Box 25526                                                                
 Juneau, AK 99802-5526                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Commented on SB 22.                                    
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 97-12, SIDE A                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
            HJR 12 LEASES IN NATL PETROLEUM RESERVE                           
                                                                              
    VICE       CHAIRMAN GREEN  called the Senate Resources Committee me        
 to order at 3:40 p.m. and announced  HJR 12  to be up for                     
 consideration.                                                                
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN , sponsor of HJR 12, said it urges the              
 federal government to continue with what they already have the                
 right to do which is to resume leasing in the Arctic Petroleum                
 Reserve.  Historically, in 1923 President Harding established Naval           
 Petroleum Reserve 4 along with three others in the lower 48 because           
 it seemed prudent to have a ready supply of petroleum to power our            
 naval warships.  Shortly after this there were lots of discoveries            
 and until the early war years of WWII there was practically no                
 activity.  In 1943 activity was renewed and by the time of the                
 Korean War about 45 shallow wells had been drilled along with 36              
 core tests.  In that process three deposits of oil and three                  
 separate deposits of gas were found, but none large enough to be              
 considered commercial.  The bottom line is that there are still no            
 commercial finds of oil and gas in the Reserve.                               
                                                                               
 He directed their attention to a map of the wells that are                    
 scattered all over the reserve.  There are none west of Nuiqsut or            
 the Colville Delta which is the region of great concern now because           
 of the alpine discovery announced by ARCO earlier this year.                  
                                                                               
 The indication is very strong that the accumulation either extends            
 across the river or that there may be ancillary oil accumulations             
 with major finds.                                                             
                                                                               
 In the interests of trying to develop the field to its fullest, it            
 seems only prudent that there would be leases granted by the                  
 government to interested oil companies.  The Governor has                     
 encouraged the federal administration to open NPRA and Secretary              
 Babbit has indicated this might be a good thing to do.                        
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  said he had a meeting with the federal                 
 government on whether there would be a need for a new Environmental           
 Impact Statement (EIS) or just an update of the existing EIS that             
 was done in 1982.  The BLM has indicated an update that might take            
 18 months.  He is concerned that if it is just an update of an                
 existing EIS, why it would take 18 months.  He thought we should              
 make sure they are going to honor their commitment to allow leasing           
 there.  He thought HJR 12 sends a unified message from the State of           
 Alaska saying we are interested in resuming leasing there and                 
 developing.  He said we are doing this is in addition to, not                 
 instead of, ANWR.                                                             
                                                                               
 Number 144                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  said she was not trying to slow down this                   
 legislation, but she wanted to add a Further Resolve clause stating           
 that "the activity be conducted in a manner that protects the                 
 environment and uses the State's workforce to the maximum extent              
 possible."  REPRESENTATIVE GREEN said he had no objection to doing            
 that.    SENATOR LINCOLN said this was the same language used in              
 Senator Pearce's legislation and moved that language as an                    
 amendment.                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR  objected for purposes of discussion because he               
 thought it was done before as a WHEREAS clause.  He said he                   
 appreciates the concerns, but everytime they talk about making mud            
 in this State, we have to have some language claiming to the world            
 that we're going to be pure in the way we do it.  He didn't know of           
 any experiences up there in the last 15 - 20 years where                      
 environmental concerns haven't been the overriding concern.  He               
 didn't want to send any false hope in a resolution form that would            
 indicate that we could somehow force the hiring of Alaskans.                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR LINCOLN said this is the exact language proposed by Senator           
 Pearce in her resolution that was adopted.                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR said he would withdraw his objection.                          
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN  said the amendment Senator Lincoln was referring to           
 was a WHEREAS clause which he supported in the other resolution and           
 he would suggest putting it in as the last WHEREAS.  REPRESENTATIVE           
 GREEN said having it as a WHEREAS would remove the possibility of             
 some bureaucrats in Washington looking at this saying they had to             
 put this in as a Resolve because they haven't been doing it in the            
 past.  He thought we should make every effort to let them know we             
 have been doing this all along.                                               
                                                                               
  SENATOR TORGERSON  said he had the same question on the second               
 FURTHER RESOLVE - if that shouldn't be a WHEREAS because it looks             
 like it's directed at the legislature.                                        
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN  moved to adopt the amendment to the amendment.   VICE-        
 CHAIRMAN GREEN  said she opposed the amendment and asked                      
 Representative Green what he would like to do.                                
                                                                               
 There was some confusion as the committee discovered they were                
 referencing the wrong version of HJR 12.  They received the                   
 corrected version, HJR 12am and  SENATOR LINCOLN  suggested this              
 wording, "WHEREAS exploration and development shall be conducted in           
 a manner consistent with the State's on-going commitment to                   
 protecting the environment and utilizing its workforce to the                 
 maximum extent possible; and."  She, then, withdrew her original              
 amendment and offered the new language as an amendment.   SENATOR             
 LEMAN  objected to change "shall" to "will" so they wouldn't be               
 commanding themselves to do something.  He removed his objection.             
    VICE CHAIRMAN GREEN  objected to make sure that all the verbs were         
 in agreement.                                                                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR  moved to pass HJR 12  am(RES) from committee with            
 individual recommendations and asked for unanimous consent.  There            
 were no objections and it was so ordered.                                     
                                                                               
              SB  22 BOARD OF GAME QUALIFICATIONS                             
                                                                              
  VICE CHAIRMAN GREEN  announced  SB 22  to be up for consideration.           
                                                                               
  SENATOR SHARP , sponsor, said it amends the required qualifications          
 for persons who may be appointed to the Board of Game by adding the           
 requirements that the applicant must have held an Alaska hunting or           
 trapping license or a permanent I.D. card of being over 60 years of           
 age during each of the five years immediately preceding the                   
 appointment to the Board.  This added requirement would provide               
 improved assurance of interest fostered by past involvement in                
 legal utilization of the game resource and understanding the                  
 dynamics of arctic game resource management.  Several states have             
 this license qualification requirement for appointment to their               
 state wildlife boards.  SB 22 has a $0 fiscal note from ADF&G.  He            
 thought there would still be a large pool of qualified applicants.            
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR  said part of the motivation for this is to make              
 certain that that pool of Alaskans from which the Governor would              
 select would at least have some peripheral contact with the                   
 resource they are regulating and would have some background to make           
 certain that those uses that are protected in our constitution                
 would be reflected in their previous life-style.                              
                                                                               
 Number 453                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  said she supports the intent of the bill, but she           
 is concerned with the five consecutive year standard  .  She asked            
 what if someone were ill or missed getting their license one year,            
 would they have to start out all over.  Her second concern was that           
 women might be precluded from being on the Board because they                 
 didn't actually have a license although they were involved in a               
 hunt and they may be good members.                                            
                                                                               
  SENATOR SHARP  responded to her first concern saying that the five           
 year period was selected because it's easier to document the                  
 records for the last five years.  Beyond that the records are                 
 unreliable.  He wanted it to be enough to where the nominee has               
 demonstrated participation as a user of the resource.                         
                                                                               
 Number 512                                                                    
                                                                               
  MR. WAYNE REGELIN,  Director, Division of Wildlife Conservation,             
 said that he thought it was very appropriate for members of the               
 Board of Game to be hunters and he thought most of them had been.             
 Regarding the five year requirement, he said there are a lot of               
 hunters who don't hunt every year, because they are sick or they              
 are hunting in other states or countries once in a while.                     
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIRMAN GREEN  asked if there were any regional requirements.          
 MR. REGELIN answered that there were no requirements for geographic           
 or any other reason.  The statute says is that the Governor shall             
 appoint members on the basis of interest in public affairs, good              
 judgement, knowledge and ability, with a view to providing                    
 diversity of interests and points of view in membership.                      
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR  asked if either of the Governor's recent appointees          
 have met the qualifications if this law were in effect.  MR.                  
 REGELIN replied he hadn't checked the records on those two people.            
                                                                               
 Number 542                                                                    
  SENATOR TAYLOR  moved to amend line 12 by deleting "each" and                
 inserting "at least five" of the "previous seven years."  SENATOR             
 SHARP asked if records were available for seven years.  MR. REGELIN           
 answered that they are.  SENATOR SHARP said he would accept that              
 amendment.  There were no objections and the amendment was adopted.           
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR  asked if he knew of the gender mix for licenses.             
 MR. REGELIN said they had a figure of about 10,000 women, but he              
 would check it out.  SENATOR TAYLOR asked how many licenses they              
 normally issue in a given year.  MR. REGELIN replied 88,600                   
 licenses were sold last year.                                                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR  moved to pass CSSB 22am(RES) from committee with             
 individual recommendations.  There were no objections and it was so           
 ordered.                                                                      
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